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Mixed stroke - kick styles and non-olympic swimming styles

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Posted Feb 25, 2011 09:32AM

Hello ! I'm new here but not new in swimming.

I decided to open a new topics about "Mixed stroke - kick styles and non-olympic swimming styles", because swimming means first of all the pleasure to discover the connection with water, to experiment new type of propulsion in water and finnaly an analytical improvement for standard swimming style.

I propose for starting point for discusion your opinions about the half / full side stroke and alterantives with above water recovery of leading arm, and second point of view about the double-advantages of combined crawl stroke- dolphin kick style (1 or 2 kicks / stroke) in obtaining a good body rotation for freestyle and rhythm for butterfly style.

I challenge you to tell here your experience about other mixed stroke-kick style and non-olympic style of swimming.

I hope you find this topic interesting.

Thanks, Bogdan

Posted Feb 25, 2011 12:59PM

What about butterfly with a breaststroke kick... does this follow this line of thinking?
Posted Feb 25, 2011 03:31PM

OMG, that's like the two things I'm worst at in the pool combined into one. Horrible vision!
Posted Mar 02, 2011 09:39AM

Not sure about other countries but pretty sure fly with breast kick is still legal in Masters comps in Australia. A few swimmers in my club do it for our National Aerobic Trophy where 400 and 800 Fly are part of the program. I did the whole program one year (a few years back now) - you have to do (among other swims) 5 x 400 and 5 x 800 Flys, each of those sets of 5 in a different calendar month. You end up with a pretty good level of fitness if you do the whole program. The Fly swims nearly killed me; did them with a normal fly kick. Have tried fly with breast kick but feels awkward to me. I think possibly it enables swimmers with compromised shoulder flexibility (but a strong breast kick) to clear the water on the arm recovery. But that may be only part of the story. Like other things in life - :) - don't knock it until you try it..
Posted Mar 04, 2011 07:17AM

I understand this topic seems to be so strange and mixed styles apears so complicated, but the development of capacities of displacement through water depends of autonomy and coordination between arms and legs and the principles of hydrodynamics are the same. I know that many of the swimmers discover only for a few year how to swim. I wanted to draw your attention that there are not only four ways to swim. Many of swimmers want to be only freestyle swimmers, and to perfectionate crawl style is the main purpose they have. Maybe in the future I will prepare some movies to demonstrate the graceful and the efficiency of other styles.
Fly stroke - frog kick is an interesting alternative for those who use only one kick / stroke in butterfly. A powerful breast-kick can compensate a weak fly kick. Some times for elite swimmers fly-kick are mixed with a half ending of a breast kick. I saw an amateur swimmer girl who combined very graceful crawl stroke with breast kick.
It is difficult cu combine breast and fly kick with the swimming styles who use body rotation (crawl and side stroke). But these are the challenges for ambidextral and independal-dextral persons.
A very powerful kick is scissors kick and can be mixed with flutter kick in body rotation in free style, alternative side stroke (using two stroke / side, between left-right side body rotation) . Cassic side stroke is considered a half-side stroke, but it can used a longer stroke making above head recovery of upper arm and even an above water recovery of upper arm.
To experiment the mixed stroke - kick is a practice for those with high level of awareness of body and co-ordination. Using mixed style we can exit from some wrong automatisms that are constant maked in classic styles.
Not at least mixed style means nonconformity.

Thanks
Posted Mar 04, 2011 09:36PM

One member of our club uses a scissor-type kick in freestyle - he's always towards the front of the lane.

Posted Mar 25, 2011 11:49PM

Hi Dan! A fun topic. Did you ever try backstroke with dolphin kick, one, two or three per armstroke. It is like dancing and bouncing joyfully in the water...
Posted Mar 27, 2011 11:22AM

Backstroke can be combine with dolphin kick and breast kick especially with double armstroke (simultaneous arms-stroke) to train the kicks. The difference is the adjustment hips joints, that it should be positioning in hyperextension. Is is a good method to develop streching for quadriceps femuralis muscle and a good amplitude given by hips in fly kick. The combination can also develops the arch position of lower back, very important adjustament to raise the legs in free style for example. Thank you
Posted Mar 27, 2011 07:24PM

Hi Dan! Do you actually have experienced all the things you are talking about? It seems like you are talking out of a book. I hope you have some fun and joy with swimming!! Good luck and fun with the discovery of new strokes!!
Posted Mar 29, 2011 06:08PM

Hi Reemi ! I did't want to be too sofisticated. Maybe it may not seems I'm talking out of a book, (as I promise in the previous message: "Maybe in the future I should prepare some movies to demonstrate the graceful and the efficiency of other styles"), I should keep my word. If you are suspicous at what I said why not try it ? If I did not make me to be undestood, why do you not ask me what are you are interested about ? If you're just curious to know if I experienced what I said - YES I DO ! Actualy majority of swimmers are too rigid indoctrinated in ideal swimming pattern, and to be Michael Phelps in person, so they forget to discover the swimming and their own style of swimming, more then to imitate other. So just try and tell me if you did ! Good luck!


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